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to petaluma born i also agree some what with logic. ihave lived as well at that corner and noone likes people hanging out in their yards.
but just to see the words of letting people go hungry just because their illegal, what do you mean. i work in a job and no one in petaluma wants that job, so we have to look else where,
most of them take care of our old time petalumians. our parents and grandparents, petalumas sick and the dying. those are the people who need jobs. just because they are on that corner dosent mean they are worthlest. kindness brings kindness. please never be hungry.
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Speaking of these men I went to Dillon Beach on 12/23 and as I approached a Sonoma County Sheriff's Dodge Ram was leaving the parking lot.
I drove up and a latino gentlemen got out of his pickup truck and said, "seven dollars". He had no uniform or anything to ID himself so I asked him if he was an employee of the county or state. He just looked at me.
I got the distinct impression he spoke very little english. Which made me wonder if he was one of the men on Howard and why he was working the parking lot for the county?
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| Posts: 15 | Location: Everywhere | Registered: 07 January 2009 | 
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I find it really sad when people who are the descendants of immigrants themselves berate new immigrants to this country who are actively seeking work. The history of this country has been the history of some new or disenfranchised group standing on a street corner begging for work. The unemployment rate is high in case y'all haven't noticed. Whatever method inventive people use to find honest work should be applauded by us all. San Mateo and other cities have set up Worker Stations where these people can sign up for work and where local citizens can hire workers as needed. Maybe instead of griping about them, Petaluma could actually lend a hand. As Obama says, there is enough work in this country that needs to be done. Anyone willing to lift a hand should be given an opportunity.
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quote: Originally posted by literati:
I find it really sad when people who are the descendants of immigrants themselves berate new immigrants to this country who are actively seeking work. The history of this country has been the history of some new or disenfranchised group standing on a street corner begging for work. The unemployment rate is high in case y'all haven't noticed. Whatever method inventive people use to find honest work should be applauded by us all. San Mateo and other cities have set up Worker Stations where these people can sign up for work and where local citizens can hire workers as needed. Maybe instead of griping about them, Petaluma could actually lend a hand. As Obama says, there is enough work in this country that needs to be done. Anyone willing to lift a hand should be given an opportunity.
Descendants of LEGAL immigrants. Immigrants who pay taxes. Immigrants who don't piss on walls and trash private property or verbally assault women who pass by. |
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| Posts: 278 | Location: Petaluma | Registered: 03 May 2008 |
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quote: Originally posted by Bully Defender:
Descendants of LEGAL immigrants. Immigrants who pay taxes. Immigrants who don't piss on walls and trash private property or verbally assault women who pass by.
As a LEGAL immigrant who have had to jump through many hoops, I have mixed feelings in regards to illegals. Sure I feel sorry for their plights; it just doesn't sit well with me when they start demanding various "rights". As for the guys standing around waiting for work... I'm fine with them as long as they're not causing any trouble. They may not be paying taxes, but at the same time, no one's forced to hire them.
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This issue is a rough one. There are a lot more illegal immigrants in California than you would think. The reasons that bring them here are what should be concentrated on, corruption in their govt, incredibly high crime rates in the cities, low literacy rates, and the Mexican governments actual encouragement of the poor going over the border. These folks are just poor people looking for a way to make money. It is really a sad situation we feel a bit threatened and they feel a bit alienated, that is fuel for bad blood.
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Interesting news this week was that the Immigration Service reported a 50% decrease in illegal crossings from Mexico- how they actually know the numbers is a wonder but with the economy the way it is I would think it may be accurate. As a first generation American, I also understand echomyst's comments regarding demanding rights, etc. Interestingly enough, it's not the illegal immigrants who make the demands but the immigration rights groups. At the end of the day, most people are trying to make a honest living and provide for themselves and their family. I have looked into the notion of a hiring hall in the past and we have little resources or enthusiasm to move that idea forward
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| Posts: 270 | Location: Petaluma | Registered: 04 December 2007 |
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quote: Originally posted by David:
Interesting news this week was that the Immigration Service reported a 50% decrease in illegal crossings from Mexico- how they actually know the numbers is a wonder but with the economy the way it is I would think it may be accurate. As a first generation American, I also understand echomyst's comments regarding demanding rights, etc. Interestingly enough, it's not the illegal immigrants who make the demands but the immigration rights groups. At the end of the day, most people are trying to make a honest living and provide for themselves and their family. I have looked into the notion of a hiring hall in the past and we have little resources or enthusiasm to move that idea forward
We don't need a hiring hall, we need to kick the illegals out. No matter where they come from. It's not just Mexicans. There is nothing "honest" about people who sneak across our borders or over stay visas. As far as those families they're providing for, go into any mini mart and you'll find someone wiring hundreds, if not thousands of dollars out of the country. |
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| Posts: 35 | Location: Petaluma | Registered: 22 February 2009 |
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Here's some more food for thought ... Day laborers ... yes, they do a lot of the jobs no one wants to do, clean out gutters, landscaping, etc ... there's no doubt they are hard workers. BUT, if you pick them up, or have them come to your property to do work, you BETTER make sure they are legalized, bonded and insured. YOU become their employer if not, and if someone gets hurt working at your property while uninsured ... legal or not ... YOU and YOUR INSURANCE are responsible for payment of worker's comp etc ... Cheap labor? yes, usually. Jobs get done that you don't want to do? yep. BUT, is the payoff worth it when YOU are now paying their medical bills and getting sued for everything YOU'VE worked so hard for? Not in my world.
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quote: Originally posted by mc2000:
Here's some more food for thought ... Day laborers ... yes, they do a lot of the jobs no one wants to do, clean out gutters, landscaping, etc ... there's no doubt they are hard workers. BUT, if you pick them up, or have them come to your property to do work, you BETTER make sure they are legalized, bonded and insured. YOU become their employer if not, and if someone gets hurt working at your property while uninsured ... legal or not ... YOU and YOUR INSURANCE are responsible for payment of worker's comp etc ... Cheap labor? yes, usually. Jobs get done that you don't want to do? yep. BUT, is the payoff worth it when YOU are now paying their medical bills and getting sued for everything YOU'VE worked so hard for? Not in my world.
There are plenty of people who will do the same labor. Myself included. I've hauled debris, cleaned gutters and did all the menial tasks they do on construction sites. And I am fluent in English, so no need to waste time trying to tell me what needs to be done. Illegals only doing the jobs "Americans don't want to do" is a load of BS. Contractors need to actively seek American workers. We're not all demanding 20 bucks an hour. |
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| Posts: 278 | Location: Petaluma | Registered: 03 May 2008 |
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..And real estate agents are still trying to figure out why the house on that corner isn't selling...
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quote: Originally posted by MarkZero:
..And real estate agents are still trying to figure out why the house on that corner isn't selling...
Hmm.. I wonder why? Though I bet I can get them to scatter like cockroaches just by showing up with my camera and a nice zoom lens. |
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| Posts: 35 | Location: Petaluma | Registered: 22 February 2009 |
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Why a zoom lens and why would they scatter if you were using said zoom lens? Isn't the purpose of a zoom lens to take pics from afar? Your insult would make more sense if you left out the part about the nice zoom lens.
This proves my point about these types of insults and the minds that offer them, they are never really clearly thought through.
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OMG! -- one of them followed me and my husband around on a Sunday. When we realized it, it had been a couple of hours since we had noticed him the first time (noticed him 4 separate occasions). Boy, did that flip me out. I think he must have been offering prostitution.
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quote: Originally posted by Boopitydoobiedo:
Why a zoom lens and why would they scatter if you were using said zoom lens? Isn't the purpose of a zoom lens to take pics from afar? Your insult would make more sense if you left out the part about the nice zoom lens.
This proves my point about these types of insults and the minds that offer them, they are never really clearly thought through.
Not that I should have to explain myself to you, but using a zoom lens, and I'm not talking the giant zooms you see at sporting events, allows me to stand across the street and not trespass on private property. You've proven nothing. |
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| Posts: 35 | Location: Petaluma | Registered: 22 February 2009 |
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